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Star Trek V: The Final Frontier – “What Does God Need with a Starship?” | First Time Reaction – To Baldly Go Podcast (Ep. 047)

First-Time Watch – Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Welcome to another episode of the To Baldly Go Podcast, in which I – a newbie to the Star Trek universe – am watching through Star Trek from the beginning, in release order, and discussing with some of my long-time Trekkie friends.

This time, we get:

  • A movie that might have worked better as an episode

  • A strange but interesting central premise

  • A few strong emotional and character scenes

  • A lot of ambition that never fully comes together

We covered:

  • Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

A movie with big ideas and mixed execution

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is a fascinating movie to talk about because it is not completely without merit. In fact, it has some genuinely strong scenes and a few ideas that feel very “Star Trek.” But as a full movie, it never quite comes together. The overall feeling from this discussion was that the movie reaches for something grand and philosophical, but misses the mark often enough that the good parts cannot fully carry it.

One of the recurring ideas in our conversation was that this might have made a fine episode of television, but not a great movie. There is an episode-level premise buried in here somewhere: a charismatic figure, a spiritual mystery, and the Enterprise crew pulled into a dangerous search beyond known space. That concept is workable. But the film version tries to scale it up into something epic without having the effects, pacing, or storytelling strength to match the ambition.

Different perspectives, same conclusion

One fun part of the conversation was that we came at the movie from different directions but landed in basically the same place. That alone says a lot about The Final Frontier. Whether you focus on the writing, the visuals, the tone, or the missed potential, the result is still a movie that feels uneven and undercooked.

That consensus showed up in the ratings too: 5s across the board. Not a total disaster, not entirely without value, but firmly in the middle-lower tier. There are enough interesting moments to talk about, but not enough to save the whole thing.

The memorable bits

Despite the film’s overall mediocrity, there are still plenty of memorable moments and discussion points. Spock’s boots somehow became part of the fun. The movie’s reputation as “the one where they go to hell” came up. Kirk’s refusal to surrender the Enterprise is exactly the kind of heroic Kirk beat you want in a Star Trek film, even if the surrounding movie does not always deserve it.

There are also some scenes here that actually work. That is part of what makes the movie frustrating rather than merely boring. You can see glimpses of a stronger version of this story. There are emotional beats and character moments that remind you why this crew works so well together. The problem is that the movie around those moments is not nearly as strong.

Style over substance… and missing the mark

We also talked about how the film seems to be aiming for something bold and mythic, but winds up feeling hollow. It wants grandeur. It wants scale. It wants to be visually and spiritually significant. But too often it feels like it is chasing the appearance of importance rather than earning it.

That led to some comparisons outside Star Trek too, including Thor: Love and Thunder, Tatooine, and Dune, as we tried to pin down the movie’s visual and tonal ambitions. The ideas are big, but the execution keeps falling short. The result is something that feels more assembled than fully realized.

The Great Barrier and the spoiled reveal

The Great Barrier at the center of the galaxy - or the edge of the galaxy - has been tackled before, so it felt a bit redundant. And we had another scenario in which the Paramount+ synopsis spoiled the big reveal.

Plus: trivia, scores, and directors’ cuts

Beyond the main review, we also got into Rotten Tomatoes scores, quiz and trivia discussion, and the broader question of whether a director’s cut can actually improve a movie like this. That led to a fun side conversation about the pros and cons of directors’ cuts in general: when they reveal the “real” movie, and when they just give you more of something that was already not working.

Final thoughts

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is not a good movie, but it is an interesting movie to talk about. It has flashes of something better, and that may actually make it more frustrating than a straightforward failure. There are pieces here that work. There are ideas here that feel worthy of Star Trek. But the final product never pulls those pieces together into a satisfying whole.

It may be the movie where they go looking for God, but for us, it was mostly a search for the version of this story that could have been much better.

As always, remember – Never give up!  Never surrender!

Listen to this episode of the To Baldly Go Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

Where we are on our Trek:

Last week we covered:

Next week we will continue with:

  • TBG Episode 047 - Star Trek TNG S02E19-22 Manhunt, The Emissary, Peak Performance, Shades of Gray – “Aaron Hates Star Trek” | First Time Reaction

If you want to see my journey from the very beginning, start here:

Also, be sure to check out Nate’s and my other podcast – The In Lap with Aaron and Nate – to listen to us discuss all things Formula 1 on race weekends, wherever you listen to your podcasts.

032 - Something About Whales

This episode we discuss:

  • Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

  • Didn’t go full Captain Planet

  • Nate surprised by his rating

  • Felt like a long episode

  • Ralph Winter – producer

  • Chekov in 1980s San Francisco

  • The pitfalls of knowing there is more to come

  • Plot holes

  • No butterfly effect?

  • Different timelines?

  • A Commander Random sighting

  • Plot devices vs. realistic story progress

  • Star Trek: Movie Memories – by William Shatner

  • Sulu’s lost movie moment

  • Eddie Murphy in Star Trek?

  • Nate is not a biologist

  • Trivia

  • Production battles

  • Similarities with Star Trek: The Motion Picture

  • Other time travel stories – Stephen King’s 11.22.63

  • Home video release included a trailer for Star Trek: The Next Generation

031 - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

In this episode we discuss:

  • No more Animated Series

  • Enjoying the dialogue more upon second viewing

  • How Abbie remembers Star Trek

  • Two years thinking Spock was dead

  • Leonard Nimoy directs

  • Curse of the odd-numbered Star Trek films

  • Choppy scenes missing the emotional, dramatic effect

  • Another Yeoman Rand-om sighting

  • Sacrificing the Enterprise

  • Krug – the Klingon John Wick?

  • A compelling villain

  • Extra-Kirk

  • What happened to Spock’s body?

  • Star Trek IV trailer

  • Ferngully in space?

  • Time travel done right

  • Trivia

028 - Racism, Overpopulation, and a Russian History Lesson

This week I am joined by my wife, Abbie, and our friend, Nate, as we discuss:

  • Let that Be Your Last Battlefield, The Mark of Gideon, and That Which Survives

  • The Trouble with Tribbles story

  • Elaan of Troyius recap now that Abbie is back

  • Overt messaging in shows

  • Star Trek without Gene Roddenberry

  • Is a good message enough to carry an episode?

  • A Captain’s responsibility to keep the ship out of enemy hands

  • Great Enterprise security

  • The transporter as a weapon

  • Nuclear codes in history

  • Dr. Strangelove

  • A good message – “Don’t hate”

  • Terrible movies with heavy-handed messaging

  • Watching people watch people on TV

  • Episode context

  • What is the call to action in this episode?

  • Being extra-Spock

  • Spock needs to be more precise

  • Abbie gets attacked by a kitten

  • The Tunguska Event

  • Another callout to The Beginning of Infinity

  • Limits on human knowledge?

  • A victim of the medium at the time?

  • The decline of the series

  • Over Warp 14

  • More multi-culturalism on the Enterprise

  • A game plan to finish The Original Series

  • Planning a Star Trek trivia challenge

  • Looking ahead to The Next Generation

  • Abbie fires some shots at DS9

  • Nate throws down the gauntlet for the best episode ending in all of Star Trek

  • A Star Trek producer spoke in my video production class in college

  • Something about whales

025 - The Talosian Illusion Strikes Back

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Spectre of the Gun, The Day of the Dove, and For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky

  • Budget issues during Season 3?

  • Nate is over the non-spacey episodes

  • Some bourbon discussion

  • Klingons with swords

  • Nate rejects the premise of the episode

  • Nate nearly rage quits the podcast over the IMDB rating

  • I claim victory in the discussion

  • We’ve seen this episode before

  • A Star Trek Sith Lord

  • Who is pulling the strings?

  • How does Kirk run into the same Klingon multiple times?

  • Captain Uhura?

  • Truth, religion, and dogma

  • Prime Directive

  • Is Bones married?

  • Characters are always safe (except the redshirts)

  • Similarities to other shows

024 - No Sh*t, Shatner!

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Abbie and I had an opportunity to watch Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and a Q&A session with William Shatner

  • For a 92-year-old man, Shatner was ranting and raving and moving around pretty well

  • An education in COPD and lung disease

  • The impact of the Actors’ Strike on the show

  • Stories about bow hunting and pranks on DeForest Kelley

  • Getting pulled over dressed as Captain Kirk

  • No shit, Shatner!

  • Shatner was what we expected.  A master of his craft

  • Curiosity

  • Seeing the movie in the theater was a trip

  • A better appreciation for the movie on a second viewing

  • The experience of watching this kind of movie in that kind of setting

  • A great movie in its own right.  But even better for a Star Trek movie

  • Felt like Star Trek

  • Shatner’s thoughts about Star Trek: The Motion Picture

  • Space Seed holds up

  • Movie reshoots after leaks

  • Gene Roddenberry intrigue

  • Kirk’s forgotten plots

  • Leonard Nimoy was ready to be done as Spock

  • Why is the Genesis technology a threat in Khan’s hands?

  • Vulcans can cry?

  • Learning why things work on a Starship.  If you don’t know why, you can’t adapt.  You can’t be creative

  • William Shatner and George Takei don’t get along

  • Ricardo Montelban’s real chest

  • Character names changed because of clerical errors

  • Continuing voyages of ongoing missions…

  • Original story proposal

  • TV in the ‘90s

023 - SPACE DAGGERS!!!

In this episode, we discuss:

  • The Paradise Syndrome, And the Children Shall Lead, and Is There in Truth no Beauty?

  • Star Trek: Renegades

  • Other TV discussion

  • The worst episode yet?

  • Was life in the past better than life today?  Life without Advil…

  • House spoilers

  • Tahiti Syndrome

  • Differences between cultural appropriation and cultural assimilation

  • Greek mythology

  • Kirk’s fear

  • We decide on an episode title

  • Without followers, evil cannot spread

  • Star Trek and Zodiac connections

  • Do we see reality for what it is?  Or for what is useful?

  • Sciencey-sounding words

  • Beauty

  • What could go wrong?

  • Smart decisions and storytelling

  • Trying different technical things in the episode

  • The IDIC medallion

  • Word salad

  • Spock’s French Stewart eyes?

  • Completely unrelated music discussion

  • Nate and I discover our mutual love of Blues Traveler

021 - Season 2 Finale and Recap

Welcome to another episode of the To Baldly Go Podcast.

As usual, I am joined by my wife, Abbie, and our friend Nate, as we discuss:

  • The final two episodes of Season 2: Bread and Circuses and Assignment: Earth

  • Abbie is over The Original Series

  • More episodes we feel like we’ve seen before

  • Prime Directive

  • Kirk’s character judging abilities

  • Parallel development vs Earth influence

  • Religious references

  • Dropping the things that worked in Season 1

  • South Park: Cartoon Wars and Star Trek Mad Libs

  • Will Abbie still enjoy other Star Trek series after this?

  • Will I become a bigger Trekkie than Abbie?

  • Our scoring system is like Who’s Line is it Anyway?

  • Would Kirk risk his crew to save Spock and Bones?

  • Another Gene Roddenberry episode

  • Are fun character traits a crutch?  Lazy?

  • Do Star Trek characters make something a Star Trek story?

  • Spinoffs!

  • Do Star Trek and Doctor Who take place in the same universe?

  • How shows are influenced by the time in which they are made

  • Top shows from the late 1960s

  • Fewer “timeless” stories in Season 2

  • More discussion about technological evolution faster than biological evolution

  • Bioshock spoilers

  • The choice of character names can tell a lot

  • Overall ratings of season 2

  • Different ways to experience TV

  • Our next plans